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Mahoney "Family" Racing parking cars


According to a post by John Mahoney, the Team Owner, his cars will remain parked untill the Speedbowl does something about the lack of "rough driving" penalties.


Mahoney owns the #31 and #81 SK's, the #91 Mini-Stock, and the #98 Super X cars.


 



-- Edited by WhelenModifiedTour at 16:43, 2006-07-10

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Just to clarify, the post WMT is refering to is at Jeff-Pearl.com:


http://www.jeff-pearl.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=5579#5579



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Thanks for the clairification. I thought they were working for Terry and WSB was providing valet parking now. J/K. It was an interesting post on JP.com.

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That was a good one Spd. Thanx Open for clearing that up.

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Hmm, where do I start? First off it is good to have you back Spd, and there is probably a few people out there that would rather see the Monahan brothers parking cars then out on the track (j/k MFR team). 


All joking aside do I blame MFR for parking there cars? No not one bit. Consistency in calls by the officials has been a problem for as long as I can remember at the Bowl dating back to "BE"....... before Eames.


 The thing that I think sour's people's opinions on Shawn however, (besides his actions during these "meltdowns") is he Jekyll or Hyde? You have the Shawn that is great with the fans, sponsor's and press and has aspirations of moving further up the racing ladder, then you have the other Shawn. Now trust me I know it's frustrating not from a driver or owner's standpoint, but it can be close to as frustrating from the team member's stanpoint as well. I've cursed the track, the official's, even TE a few times vowing to never return but of course I always came back.


Unfortunatley, the only people who really get hurt out of this are MFR's SK team's fans who wont get to watch or root for them. The team if they choose to go to another track to compete will be competitive, and it isn't good for the track's paltry SK car count either but maybe they should have thought of that before not being consistent in there officiating.



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Ok, I wanted to express my own OPINION on this whole scenario.


To begin with, from my days as a little kid in the early 70's to my last visit to the Speedbowl in 2005, officiating has ALWAYS been terrible at Waterford. It is one the biggest problems the track has now that the whole foreclosure problem seems to be resolved.


There is a VERY fine line between "hard racing" and "rough driving". From what I have been hearing and reading that line seems to not exist anymore at Waterford.


A big problem with the officiating, is that no matter how the call goes someone gets "screwed". I have been on both the winning and the losing side of officiating decisions from the Limited Sportsmen (Strictly Stocks back then) right up to the Whelen Modified Tour as a crew member. It is just another part of the game, sometimes the cards fall the wrong way so to speak.


Regardless of how bad you get "screwed" resorting to childish antics, or even worse blatant wrecking of another competitor is NOT the answer. Lives of not only your fellow competitors, but spectators are in jeopardy.


The Speedbowl is in dire need of not only more fans, but more cars. People are not very enticed to spend their hard earned money to watch  a high speed demolition derby with an ocassional driver sideshow. Nor will they be very likely to bring their kids to witness this type of behavior. And PLEASE remember the kids are the future of this sport we all love. Seems to me several of the drivers that have been getting the most attention were kids in the stands not long ago.


Looking at the track from a car owners perspective (NO I am not one), I would NEVER bring my car to Waterford. Look at the mess that happened in Saturday's Late Model Feature to start, would you be running to sign up for your car number ? Then all you hear and read about is bad officiating and rough driving, gee I really want to spend all my money and effort to participate in that.


As Open stated earlier, Shawn does seem to have  split personalities. Now before anyone accuses me of bashing him let me just say that I have known him and follwed him throughout the majority of his career, and his brother as well. I believe they both have great talent and with John Mahoney's backing could easily move on to the Whelen Tour or Busch East Series. But, you can not have those kind of antics hold you back. Save the anger, work twice as hard on the car for next week, focus your attention on making sure you beat them next race. Those are the actions that will take you to the top, the others might land you a job with Ringling Bros.


There is a another driver who  has forgotten where that line is. A driver who I looked up too and admired even in my days of crewing on cars he raced against. This driver seems to have forgotten how he won all those races and Championships. I think we all know who I mean and I will leave it at that.  I was shocked when I read all the stories about Saturday's wreck and who the major cause was. I was also shocked to hear that this has been the norm for this driver in 2006. Not what I would expect from someone of his caliber.   


These are just my opinions take them for what you will. -WMT- 


 



 

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This is my first year really following the late models, so I don't know really about how they ran in the past. It does seem however that most the cars that do chose to show up are fairly fast, so it is pretty even, like the SK's. So it is hard to pass when everyone is so equal, also with the lack of an outside groove lately, it makes it even harder. That is where rough driving comes into play. A lot of drivers seem to have the attitude that if i can't pass him I have to move him, which isn't always the good thing. Now, I have to say I am not completely unbiased as I have worked on both SK's and Late Model's the past few years, but what has happened lately has not been acceptable and a few drivers have been to blame.


As far as Last Saturday night's wreck goes, it was pretty bad. I did not see how it started as I was spotting for a car who was near the back of the pack, but the general consensus is that the 42 drove the 42 straight into the wall. Now, so far this year when we have run I have always wondered if the 42 would move us or not, because he hasn't been afraid to use his bumper, then let everyone know that he doesn't care one bit about it. If he truly did what everyone says, he probably should be parked for a few races, and if not, someone will take it into their own hands and wreck him. I do not think I saw a single team in the paddock that was not against the 42. What happened was unnacceptable, and something should be done about it. That was definetly the worst wreck I have seen happen locally, and it shouldn't have happened. The best thing to come out of this is that Jay was able to climb out of the car without a scratch and only a little shaken up despite the severity of the accident. But he lost a car, done, no more. I do not think much could be saved off of the car, the carb was broke in half with the butterfly's still stuck wide open. I really feel for him because he isn't going to race the rest of the year unless something drastic happens.


Now lets move onto the SK's. First and foremost I want to offer congratulations to Wendall Dailey on his heat win and Top 5 finish in a brand new car. He is one of the nicest guys you will ever meet, and is always willing to help you out without asking for anything in return. As far as the Shawn deal goes, that seems to be Shawn. Thats how he is. He is a great wheelman with a one of a kind personality. He felt like he was wronged, so he let everyone know. As far as John's situation goes, he obviously stands for what he believes in, which is great. It is too bad Shawn, Diego, and the other MFR guys will not be running but if that what John wants to do, he should do it.



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Great response Ben.


I keep hearing that the Bowl has no outside groove. Being a former crew man, I would be VERY hard at work finding a way to run it. Seems EVERYONE is running (sometimes over each other) the bottom. Find a way to run the top grove and you should blow their doors off.



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The 3 has been using the outside and the 31 was out there and moving up this past week. Still most would rather go to the bottom. I really don't care if you move someone with the bumper, that's part of racing. Spinning them by just driving it in and bouncing your right front off their left rear nerf bar or just sailing it in to hit someone to spin them is another.


Now, Steve Harraka wants to promote this two groove racetrack. He's had plenty of chances to promote that by making calls. How many roughriding calls been made this year? Do you want me to believe that's all there really was or someone is just turning a blind eye to the problems here? When it boils over you get displays like Saturday night, more will be coming, even one of the mildest mannered guys racing got 4 weeks for a "stupid" move because he got fed up with the no calls at the bowl.



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Thanks for the welcome back. Not so busy now.


Couple points I will add.


First, there is an outside groove but you need to be set-up for it and also willing to take the chance in running it. Everyone is afraid of getting dumped on the outside and I can't blame them at this point.


Second, there is a good number of good clean drivers that have continued to run the bowl but a lot have left for SMS & TIS. And on the other side, others that have had problems at those other tracks show up at WSB because they are hurting for cars and are not as strict about things. This helps feed the need to stay on the bottom and not get the second groove going.


I respect the MFR decision and feel that more teams need to make the same statement as the only way to get the WSB's attention is through gate reciepts. But with Shawns actions some will not see the value in taking a stand and just say good, we don't need childish drivers. I ofte wonder if the lack of respect we see in the youth today hasn't worked it way into the young adults already, man I'm getting old..... There used to be more give and take and respect a few years ago. I know what it is like to have to replace a clip in less than a week from a crew stand point never mind an owner passing out the cash for it. But, after the Cup race it appears to come down from the top so how can you tell someone at the WSB with less than a $60k invested he needs to respect his competitor when the professionals with unlimited funds don't? 


The track MUST make a tough stand NOW. Are there be enough LM's left to even run a heat this week? I truely hope they get it straightened out before it is to late.


Steve Harraka, it is in your hands, good luck and no, I don't want to be in your shoes..


 



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WhelenModifiedTour wrote:





"Ok, I wanted to express my own OPINION on this whole scenario. To begin with, from my days as a little kid in the early 70's to my last visit to the Speedbowl in 2005, officiating has ALWAYS been terrible at Waterford. It is one the biggest problems the track has now that the whole foreclosure problem seems to be resolved. There is a VERY fine line between "hard racing" and "rough driving".


 


WMT that is an interesting point you make.  It seems for many years there has been this same train of thought about Waterford.  Let me ask all this question:  There has been numerous owners; numerous officials (some of which went on to important roles at other local facilities over the years); and numerous regimes in place over the years.  Do you feel the track layout has anything to do with why several ownerships and officials have never been able to please?  



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I think the new owner will do much better.

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I do not believe the blame lies so much in the owners hands as it does the officials. Officials seem to bond with certain drivers, thus allowing them to get away with more. This is just my OPINION. but in my days as a Waterford crew member I have definitely witnessed several "questionable" decisions. A huge controversial decision costs a team I worked for a big win.


As for the track layout, I do not feel that is much of the problem. Open and I discussed the fact of how there are several mid-week events that are destroying the racing surface. Hope fully the TEC application will help develop a second grove. i still believe the teams that do their homework and figure out how to run the outside will be unstopable. If you are needing to hit the brakes hard and using the guy infront of you to slow down.....PASS HIM ON THE OUTSIDE.


Another thing that would greatly help in "rough driving" calls, would be video. Stationary cameras set up to "spy" on the problem areas of the track. When in doubt they could review the footage in the tower. As the saying goes "The camera does not lie".


Just my thoughts. -WMT-  



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