Civali to return this season, run limited schedule in 09?

openwheelracer · Admin/Mod/Eyewitness

Civali to return this season, run limited schedule in 09?

bowatcher · Car Owner

Troyer? Hutter? don't forget the extra front bumpers who ever you may be!!!!!

Date: Thu Oct 2 07:40:57 2008

bowatcher wrote:

Troyer? Hutter? don't forget the extra front bumpers who ever you may be!!!!!

Got plenty of Chrome Horns and a National sponsor Too.
Another Troyer and Hutter on the Tour

Date: Thu Oct 2 18:32:13 2008

Anonymous wrote:

bowatcher wrote:

Troyer? Hutter? don't forget the extra front bumpers who ever you may be!!!!!

Got plenty of Chrome Horns and a National sponsor Too.
Another Troyer and Hutter on the Tour

So what to make of the last paragraph now?

http://blogs.courant.com/autoracing/2008/08/james-civali-suspended-by-nasc.html

bowatcher · Car Owner

I can tell you one thing and that is the sponsor will not be MR. CLEAN products. Also Big Wayne doesn't come cheap either$$$and he fits in a VETTE much better than a Rabbit!!!

Date: Thu Oct 2 20:51:27 2008

bowatcher wrote:

I can tell you one thing and that is the sponsor will not be MR. CLEAN products. Also Big Wayne doesn't come cheap either$$$and he fits in a VETTE much better than a Rabbit!!!

Big Wayne is not part of the equasion.

He's in bed with an owner already.

Date: Sun Oct 5 09:04:54 2008

James WILL be at Thompson in a few weeks.............

Date: Sun Oct 5 14:21:17 2008

Surprised he wants to:

http://blogs.courant.com/autoracing/2008/08/james-civali-suspended-by-nasc.html

Date: Sun Oct 5 16:40:11 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Surprised he wants to:

http://blogs.courant.com/autoracing/2008/08/james-civali-suspended-by-nasc.html

He Hasn't commited to anything for next year yet.
He will be at Thompson, and may very well firm up plans for next year with a current owner on the tour.

If the right situation comes along he may come back.
There are plenty of owners on the Tour that would like a winning young driver in their seat.
He just needs the right deal.

Date: Tue Oct 7 21:11:23 2008

the white 59 car?

afohlin · Car Owner

Latest info I heard was its gonna be an all chrome 29 owned by Jerry Robinson, which would explain why he can't pay anyone at the Bowl.

On a more serious note, last I heard over the weekend that James was just gonna be sitting on the couch next Sunday.

Date: Thu Oct 9 16:26:00 2008

afohlin wrote:

Latest info I heard was its gonna be an all chrome 29 owned by Jerry Robinson, which would explain why he can't pay anyone at the Bowl.

On a more serious note, last I heard over the weekend that James was just gonna be sitting on the couch next Sunday.

James will not be sitting on the couch.
He will be at Stafford on Sunday this week with me and thompson next week.

At least you got the number right.
But it will be a yellow and red #29
Brand new Troyer Chassis and Brand new Hutter power.
We will soon see what the best driver and equiptment can do on the tour

afohlin · Car Owner

Who owns it if its not Jerry? Hutters aren't cheap.

Date: Thu Oct 9 19:14:10 2008

afohlin wrote:

Who owns it if its not Jerry? Hutters aren't cheap.

Front Row Motorsports LLC
If James wants to drive next year there will be 2 more cars built.
One Just for Loudon with Ford power.

afohlin · Car Owner

Good luck then. Hopefully he gets put on the roster then. Even Keith Rocco made it on there already along with 33 others

http://thompsonspeedway.com/rosters/wmt_world%20series.htm

-- Edited by afohlin at 20:19, 2008-10-09

Date: Fri Oct 10 20:22:11 2008

James will be in the Bono #7ny in Stafford and Thompson, and next year he will be running the full season in the #44 Busch North owned by Andy Santeere. He will be moving to Concord North Carolina along with his family where Civali front row auto will be moved.

openwheelracer · Admin/Mod/Eyewitness

Actually, Civali will possibly practice and qualify and possibly race Eric Berndts #64 this weekend at Stafford, as Eric is feeling under the weather.

afohlin · Car Owner

James looked pretty good Saturday. I wonder how he'll do next weekend

Date: Mon Oct 13 18:14:52 2008

Anonymous wrote:

James will be in the Bono #7ny in Stafford and Thompson, and next year he will be running the full season in the #44 Busch North owned by Andy Santeere. He will be moving to Concord North Carolina along with his family where Civali front row auto will be moved.

Date: Tue Oct 14 14:44:55 2008

Rumor is Joe Bought the Troyer Chassis, and Rabbit Bought the brand new Hutter power. Its up tp James if he wants to drive it.
Personally I hope he sits home and never races again. I was insulted by his remarks of not wanting to be that "saturday night racer " being that guy has suited the career or Ted Christopher, Bill Slater, and that other guy ... what was his name..... Ritchie....... Of yea Evans.......
Sorry your 'Cup ride didnt come through James, I know its hard watching Joey have so much sucess, but being that "saturday Night Guy" has served many of a legend just fine.

Date: Tue Oct 14 16:53:59 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Rumor is Joe Bought the Troyer Chassis, and Rabbit Bought the brand new Hutter power. Its up tp James if he wants to drive it.
Personally I hope he sits home and never races again. I was insulted by his remarks of not wanting to be that "saturday night racer " being that guy has suited the career or Ted Christopher, Bill Slater, and that other guy ... what was his name..... Ritchie....... Of yea Evans.......
Sorry your 'Cup ride didnt come through James, I know its hard watching Joey have so much sucess, but being that "saturday Night Guy" has served many of a legend just fine.

First of all:

James will drive a race car again.
BUT it will be in the right deal.
He has talked with me about that "right deal".

You may not like him, and that's OK.
But to see how far the 28 team has fallen without him is a shame.
I was listening to the 28 team on Sunday.
It was a Joke.
That's all I'll say.
If you have a scanner listen to them, you'll laugh too.

Second:
Yes you are correct.
The day after he was let go from the 28 he was offered a car to drive.
A Troyer and a Hutter.
The same offer stands for this week at Thompson.
He was also offered another car to drive at Thompson on Saturday.
But as of today he's not commiting to anything.
He wants that "right deal".
If it comes, fine if it doesn't he OK with that too.

Third:
Don't know why you would be insulted by anything he says.
I doubt your a racer.
If you were , you would see that he was one of the best drivers on the Tour.

End of story

Date: Tue Oct 14 17:24:24 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Rumor is Joe Bought the Troyer Chassis, and Rabbit Bought the brand new Hutter power. Its up tp James if he wants to drive it.
Personally I hope he sits home and never races again. I was insulted by his remarks of not wanting to be that "saturday night racer " being that guy has suited the career or Ted Christopher, Bill Slater, and that other guy ... what was his name..... Ritchie....... Of yea Evans.......
Sorry your 'Cup ride didnt come through James, I know its hard watching Joey have so much sucess, but being that "saturday Night Guy" has served many of a legend just fine.

Just one more thing:
James and Joey couldn't be more opposite.
But James and Joey are not only brothers they are the best of friends.
If you mess with one of them you get them both.

And Joey's a better driver than half the guy's on the Tour now.

Date: Wed Oct 15 00:13:13 2008

King and the guys have done pretty good this year. With three drivers they have scored a bunch of top tens, a couple top fives, and even a couple top threes. So to say "how far they have fallen" is pretty unfair. If you are measuring by wins, I'm sure victory lane looks pretty easy to get to from your cozy seat up there in the grandstands, but let me tell you its not! So any time you want to measure a team, carry yourself to the back gate, buy yourself a pit pass, and go pick up a wrench! And if you have in the past, I can tell you the level of comp. is much different then it was before. I have been on this tour for many years and I haven't been there in about five years.

Date: Wed Oct 15 07:31:29 2008

Have you ever seen the movie Days of Thunder?
Cole Trickle couldn't tell the crew what to do to the car to make it better.
Neither could the driver of the 28 Sunday.
A top notch driver knows what he wants.
If Civali was given a car that was good he'd still be on the Tour.

Date: Wed Oct 15 10:12:22 2008

A) I was refering to Joey Logano.... Not his Brother Joey.

B) I was a racer, so you can drop that rehtoric..... I didnt say James wasn't talented, I said I was insulted by his comments putting down the Saturday night Racer.

C) I did happened to listen the King Team on Sunday, I hear Coby ask for what he wanted, and get it. I didnt see where he couldnt communicate to the team what he needed.

D) I stand by my statment that I hope James dosent get the " Right Deal" James is a weapon on the track, who thinks the Nascar upper tier owes him something. I think James is where he belongs on the sidelines making excuse for not wanting to be in car.

Date: Wed Oct 15 13:11:44 2008

Anonymous wrote:

C) I did happened to listen the King Team on Sunday, I hear Coby ask for what he wanted, and get it. I didnt see where he couldnt communicate to the team what he needed.

The only time Coby said ANYTHING about wanting something was at the last caution.
He wanted right sides and a left front.
He was solidly in the top 10.
There were 21 cars on the lead lap.
Restarting with less than 10 laps to go.
Bad call dude no mater how you slice it.
The first pit stop he didn't have a clue what to do to the car, the owner told the crew what to do.

There are many people who don't want James in a Tour car.
Mostly drivers.
That would mean one less car in the field to beat.
Because if he can win in a Raceworks he'd really be a force in a Troyer.
4 wins in 2 and a half years, not bad.
Rookie of the year in 2006, with one win, could have taken the last 2 races of and still won it.

In the words of Al Davis"Just win baby just win".

openwheelracer · Admin/Mod/Eyewitness

Ok folks, so far this thread has been borderline civil. Let's just watch the personel attacks on the King#28 team, Coby, and Civali.

Your more than welcome to continue the discussion, just watch where your headed with the personel jabs at the aformentioned parties listed above.

Date: Wed Oct 15 23:35:07 2008

Funny how when James drove the #28 King Racing raceworks/bruneau car it was as fast as a rabbit with 4 wins/13 top fives and 22 top tens. But now they are no good?, the motor program is behind?, The crew is "laughable? the chassis are out dated?" Yet they have 6 top tens, 3 top fives, and a couple top threes. And all this with two different drivers! A lot of teams would HOPE to be that bad. I guess if I kept sticking my foot in my mouth I would need a cast for it also.

Date: Thu Oct 16 07:34:16 2008

Word in the pit area was that the head wrench from L.I. was moving to the 93 car next year.
Going for the $$$$.

His faviorte song is You picked a fine time to leave me loose wheel.

CK · Race Fan

To Mr Rabbit (cause we all know its you),

I have a lot to say to you...

I really wish we could rewind to your comments about the 28 team, Don, the car, and James when James was still in the car. If I remember correctly, it was the BEST team, the BEST driver, the BEST car, the BEST EVERYTHING!!!
Funny how you change your mind so quickly.

Another thing, when you do actually go to the races, do you ever hang out at peoples trailers to hear what kind of discussions go on? Its all racing, set-up and strategy! These conversations dont just take place on the track or over the radio. So to say that Doug didnt know what he wanted or that Don makes all the calls, NOT TRUE! There are YEARS of notes, weeks of discussions and serious hours put in before the race. Any driver, car owner, crew cheif can tell you that its input from all sides that creates the best finishes. Oh wait..maybe thats where the word TEAM comes from?? So if Doug or Don didnt say enough for your liking on Sunday, the reason is, it was all discussed and planned before hand. Being PROACTIVE! Wow, what an idea!

Also, you made a comment about James would still be in a tour car if he was in a good one? Umm, I didnt get the memo. Did he quit the 28 team? No, dont think so!

Now, I would never say a bad thing about James. I think hes an amazing driver (one of the best in the Northeast), and I think hes awesome with his knowledge on set-ups. I would love to see him in someones car.

However, to BAD-Mouth the team, car, engine, chassis builder, and Owner of the 28 is just pathetic to me. And to say that theyve gone down-hill since the split is absolutely ridiculous! Someone wrote the stats on this thread since Doug and Woody have been driving...they are pretty impressive to me!

Im not quite sure what youre trying to acheive by all your posts but one thing I know is this; you love James and youll stand by him no matter what. But what you dont realize is that youre SINGLE HANDEDLY making everyone HATE him!!

As far as the 28...they dont need your approval. They know that Don puts in 150% effort and Don knows that the crew guys and drivers put in 150% effort.
But as far as James goes..why dont you try CREATING support for him instead of RUINING it all.

Date: Thu Oct 16 17:42:48 2008

If my team ever folded, my first pick would be King Racing. Don King is one of the most respectfull guys I have ever met. The way he treats his crew members and drivers is commendable. If you listening to them on the scanner you can hear how they are not only team members, but friends. And that is how they are outside the track also. I only see them at the track, but I have heard about the parties on the Island! And on the track their record speaks for itself, so obviously the equipment and professional knowhow is there.
As for James, what happened between him and Don should be kept between him and Don. James is one of the most talented drivers out there today, and that is something that cant even be argued. His absence from this division is obviously missed, if it wasnt then there wouldnt be threads like this one still being carried on after close to three months.
In closing, I think the mud slinging should come to an end from the readers and writers of this thread. Both King Racing and James Civali deserve that much.

hp · Race Fan

first off i havent responded to mr "anon" 's comments because i refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent , but since he dragged me into it by doing what he does best spewin garbage here goes: rabbit stop hiding behind the computer as i told you on another message board put your big boy pants on buy that troyer and that hutter and come on out and play,its real easy to sit on this computer and monday morning quaterback any teams decisions whether there are over the radio,or in person last time i checked my record from the grandstands is still 1000% i havent lost a race yet as far as me headin to the 93 fact is i consider all the crew,driver and his parents good friends of mine......something you probably dont have any of!!!!!!!!!!!! in fact the crew chief will be staying in our camping circle this weekend does that mean hes workin with us next year?and as far as your previous post that im in bed with my car owner i have stayed at his house his beach cottage and in his toter home but never in his bed or him in mine neither of us swing from that side of the plate ..... don king is one of the few people in this world i would take a bullet for they dont come much better than him,with him its like joe would say "unconditional" and i thank joe sr,joe jr and james for bringin me to this team that being said this is by far one of the best group of guys to go to "war" with on any race day but again rabbit you wouldnt know that cause you dont seem like much of a team player to me so do us all favor and show up at thompson this weekend meet the guy(don king)that you talk so much smack about face to face then come see me ......if you have the intestanal fortitude.by the way all of us at king racing feel the same about james driving ability one of the best.....but all good things come to an end just like this post .............wayne okula team manager28 king racing

-- Edited by hp at 19:37, 2008-10-16

Date: Thu Oct 16 21:37:13 2008

Some someone posted James would be at Stafford and Thompson.

Saw him qualify for a sick Eric Berndt, so i dont consider that "being at Stafford". I dont see him in the line up for Thompson.

Reading these posts are 10 minutes of my life i wish i could get back. What a load of bull. Speak when you have truth to speak.

Date: Fri Oct 17 11:47:45 2008

Well Ms. King and Mr Team Manager.
I am the Rabbit.
I haven't posted on this site for a long time.
Got a phone call from the guy who you should be blamming telling me of these posts.
I am not a registered user here since the last time I took a hit or a post that wasn't mine.
If your team manager will think back to sunday when I was talking to Shadow he will remember the guy who was with me there.
When he started bad mouthing Mr. King I stop him and told him that he wasn't being fair.
Ask Shadow Mr. Manager, I'm sure he will back me up.
He seems to me to be an honest person.
I have no problem what so ever with Mr.King.
In fact I posted elsewhere Mr. King was good for james, he gave him a chance.
And James was good for him, he taught him how to win.
That was at the time my only public comment.

auto racing is not the high light of my life.
I don't care who wins or loses.

the team manager should know that I like much better to do a face to face when I have a problem with someone or they with me, as I did with him at the garage about a month ago.
If you Ms. King or Mr Kig or team manager have a problem with me the manager has my phone # call me I'll meet any of you anywhere any time.

Date: Fri Oct 17 14:26:27 2008

I would have to say CK and HP are wrong to insinuate that the Rabbit only sits in the grandstand or behind his computer and makes judgement. In Fact I saw the Rabbit on pit road just this past Sunday at Thompson................But too bad when the pit party ended he was sent back to the grandstand where he belongs! Back to your hole wabbit!

afohlin · Car Owner

Great post lol. I don't know how anyone can say the 28 is a bad team with bad equipment, but I don't need to say anymore reasons why that is completely wrong. Weren't you already kicked off of this board Rabbit?

Date: Mon Oct 20 13:16:28 2008

"But to see how far the 28 team has fallen without him is a shame."

If you ask me Doug Coby was "THE SHOW" on sunday.. I think the King team is right where they need to be

Date: Mon Oct 20 22:45:35 2008

Lmao at the Wabbit on Pit road!!!!! That was Funny I dont care who u r!!!!

Date: Tue Oct 21 07:43:44 2008

sorry this took so long rabbit : based on our discussion on the phone friday and my discussion with shadow looks like i am wrong this time for blaming you for some of the anon posts......as for the guy you tyhrew under the bus(the father of a former team member) come on out from behind the computer and confront me with your issues instead of running every time i show up at civalis front row auto,or at the pit partys ur son is old enough to fight his own battles....oh wait he let joe sr do that last year wasnt even man enough to return calls guess the apple didnt fall far from the tree there! even scarier the state allows him to carry a gun.... so if you wanna talk to me talk to the rabbit or joe or james or joe jr they all have my # or better yet see you at the christmas party at front row.....................make mine a very merry christmas so in closing rabbit im sorry and i will take the rabbit out of the noose hangin from my camper now get back in your hole!!!!!!!!!!!

hp · Race Fan

by the way ernie.......rabbit didnt give me your name just figured it out based on conversations 4th place @thompson with the 28,88 leading bunch of laps,coby coming from the back good thing we are such a joke,or in ur words on our way out

Date: Tue Oct 21 12:25:20 2008

Could you find a fatter jack man? He makes you look Skinny HP

Ben Althen · Moderator

Stop the bickering now. This thread isn't about people attacking each other. If it continues it will be locked.

bowatcher · Car Owner

Civalli in the 97 hill car Turkey Derby 08

Date: Thu Oct 30 23:13:08 2008

bowatcher wrote:

Civalli in the 97 hill car Turkey Derby 08

hahahaha, r u insane? hahaha

Date: Thu Nov 6 10:49:29 2008

james won't just get in any car and drive it.
He wants a good car with a good motor.
He has crew guy to go with him if need be.
If you ask me he should have went to the 79 when he had the chance.
I think he will dirve next year in some of the better paying races and it may very well be in the second hillbilly car.
It won't be in a car he has already driven on the tour.